hey all, I just thought I'd put the question out there about what can we do to minimize the amount of post-bar sketchy energy at the warehouse after 3:30?
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Tue, March 22, 2005 - 1:32 PMdont let anyone in after 330 who havent already paid
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Tue, March 22, 2005 - 3:07 PMthat's a tough one, but i like nadine's idea.... -
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Tue, March 22, 2005 - 3:40 PMor maybe the monetary deterrance.. raising the price of admittance after a certain time?? -
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Tue, March 22, 2005 - 3:54 PMhow bout ... anyone carrying a glowstick is not allowed in ?
just joking :P -
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Tue, March 22, 2005 - 4:07 PMi agree with the idea of raising the price at the door after 3 for non-ticket holders. generally what happens is that they lower it at that point to maximize profits and then the sketch starts to pour in...
the other think id like to see addressed is the concept of not allowing re-enteries (as at red). i dont like the idea of being stuck in that smike-filled stinkhole unless im ready to leave. -
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Tue, March 22, 2005 - 4:15 PMi hate that about the warehouse!! (no ins and outs)
not to mention the security who look over the bathroom stalls to make sure your not "doing drugs" -- pervs....
everytime i have been there i have left totaly pissed off.
they wont even give you a glass of water ( you have to buy a bottle. and then they wont even refill it for you )
not to mention not being able to sneak outside for a few minutes of "fresh air"
i vowed to myself that i would never go to an event there agian.
due to the circumstances, i am going to have to break it.
so is it really at the warehouse ?
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Tue, March 22, 2005 - 4:16 PMi think the best way to keep the sketch out, is not have it at the warehouse...
sorry i am an ass -
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Wed, March 23, 2005 - 8:38 AMhuh, good points all.. the problem is that the warehouse WANTS the after-bar crowd to come pouring in, and they don't want to do things like raise the prices which would deter their "clientele".. they're assuming that people will get pissed off and not come to the warehouse again
however, my point is that the warehouse is the only after-hours bar, so there's really no other place for them to go, so I think that if they come to our event and see the price is high and leave and think "damn, I'm not going there again!", where else are they going to go? is the warehouse really on such thin ice that if the sketchies don't come for one weekend they'll go under? I highly doubt it.. that place has been around for nearly 20 years (!) so I'm pretty sure that if we do something like raise the price after 3am, it's really not going to affect their profits..
and really, that's what it all boils down to.. profits..
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Wed, March 23, 2005 - 1:02 PMok...
so who is throwing this party then ?
the warehouse or area 709 ?
sorry to seem so ignorent to the workings. but i thought when you rented a venue, and hired the security, bar, etc... that you would have control over the so called "operations" for the night ?
or is it not that simple ?
i dont think one night of a private party, would defer customers from that place.
What about RED the other month (As far as sketchies ) ?
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Wed, March 23, 2005 - 2:01 PMexactly..
red had its share of sketchies.. however, due to the vibe and the nature of the party, I don't think they affected anybody.. definitely *did* notice some barstars showing up after 3 though!
I think we should make the point that this party is a special event, and we just don't want drunken idiots showing up! or we jack the price up to 50 bucks.. -
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Wed, March 23, 2005 - 2:04 PMim a drunken idiot... do i have to pay more ? -
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Wed, March 23, 2005 - 4:35 PMYes you do Nadine!! =)
Well there are very strong pro's and cons to havenig the event at the Warehouse
Pros:
- we won't get shut down while event is happening
- it is reliable space (won't have it closed to our use at the last moment)
- we don't need insurance and can avoid the bylaw which keeps costs reasonable
- we can have more than 300 people, and the money from those coming in just because they happened to stop by allows us to afford larger acts such as Beat Bizarre
- we are very lucky to have such a space in Calgaryt so injecting our positive energy in there (like Red did) is good four our communtiy, and for Chris (who owns it) so it can stay open
- logistics are simpler (no need for sound rental)
Cons:
-sketchy after-hours crowd
Honestly that is my only concern (although it is a very big one). I have to say I was super impressed that at Red the zombies were minimal and the vibe even after 3 was the best I had experienced in a long while. I really do believe we do have the ability to have a positive impact on the space.
I want to try it out this time, and see what happens. If it just is not working out we may look at other spaces, but comunity halls are burned out easily. I know we are pushing for a professional and adult experience, so communty halls do not seem quite right either in my mind.
Would people prefer to have future Area709 psy events at a different club, one that was not after hours?
As well, I have yet to talk to Chris but I know that it is in his interest to get the best attendance psosible, so raising prices, or even keeping them at $30 after 3 or 4 am will not be an option.
Oh the curse of the ever elusive venue!!!! -
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Wed, March 23, 2005 - 10:27 PMscrew it, let's just have it in the airport parkade.. -
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Thu, March 24, 2005 - 9:14 AMye maybe we can rent the hanger out at my work for the night :P -
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Thu, March 24, 2005 - 3:33 PMhaaa haaa haaaaaaa
good one... :)
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Thu, March 24, 2005 - 3:33 PMhey you know I just realized that the Danish Canadian club has a pretty large room that can be rented.. wouldn't that be cool for our next scanditrance party?? -
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Sun, March 27, 2005 - 6:48 PMdarvin, why is our price regime flexible to the warehouse management and not our concerns, i mean if we are renting the space shouldnt we have control over such matters?
and is there a capacity limit? i mean if we sell 500 presale tix does that mean we still have to let the afterbar crowd in at 3?
and yes nadine you have to pay more! way more! -
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Sun, March 27, 2005 - 6:52 PMoops, last note.
i think the notion of professional and adult events can happen at community halls, it just depends on the type of advertisement.
teampsyence threw gatherings that i felt were professional and mature, and if we were so inclined i think area709 could do it too.
yes my 2 cents from the middle of nowhere.
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Mon, March 28, 2005 - 1:44 PMnice 2 cents....
i agreeski
ill pay more, as long as i get a little extra somethinsomethin
=O
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Mon, March 28, 2005 - 5:14 PMI agree also, but I think that community halls are somewhat stale locations to rent.. from my perspective, it would be nice to find venues that are safe, available, and DIFFERENT, which is why I think the Green Fools space is being used so much these days.. we need more places like that!
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Mon, March 28, 2005 - 3:11 PMGood point Norri -
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Sun, April 10, 2005 - 10:20 AMI was actually surprised, with RED - the "sketchies" and/or "barstars" that came after 3am were all quite respectful. They might have been on different/more drugs than the average RED person, but there were no big issues. Also, the staff was quite decent - i thought for sure they were going to be assholes because the crowd was obviously quite different than their usual clientelle.
I gotta say, this though - i go to the warehouse quite a bit. if there's nothing to do on a friday i'll go and dance for a few hours, because it's the only place for me to do that. for a while there i went every weekend. I wasn't fucked on drugs, either. i just went because it was somewhere where there was half way to decent music and because it's the only night club in calgary where i haven't run into any attitude from anyone.
maybe keep this in mind if ever thinking of using the warehouse as an event -
1)Barstars and Sketchies keep to themselves pretty well, if they do come up to you and bother you be straight up and ask them to leave you alone 9.5 times out of 10 they'll do just that.
2)Chances are not many will stay or even come in -anyway- because you're not playing hard house or bad fluffy trance.
3)If it wasn't for begin audio transmission at the warehouse, i'd still only be a sketchy bar star.
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Sun, April 10, 2005 - 1:03 PMMore good points, thanks Skylar -
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Sat, April 16, 2005 - 4:20 PMI don't think there's anything to worry about in terms of the sketchies, if we get a substantial amount of people there for the whole night. The sketchies will come in and disperse, and probably not stay all that long because they won't be able to appreciate the music at hand. The ones that do stay will probably be having a blast and fit right in.
I've met a few of those on some occasions and it's really quite enjoyable (and have been a sketchie once or twice too!!).
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Sat, April 16, 2005 - 5:42 PMi think what really helped at red was the respectful tone that was set right from the beginning of the night. i didn't have too many issues with the sketchies that night, other than the occasional "ugh" feeling from seeing them there but i can't say that there were too many of those. i think the decor upstairs really helped too. it transformed the dark and gungy warehouse into someplace bright, warm and vibrant. -
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Sat, April 16, 2005 - 11:51 PMI think that where ever the venue - if you put your heart into it, which i know 709 would, you'll get support from your crowd as well as people who respect what you're doing. I firmly belive that what the scene needs is maximum exposure to well thought out, well spirited events and that type of exposure at an accessable venue will allow people to explore new options in the scene. It can only be good that comes out of it, in my mind - which is really exciting. -
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Wed, April 20, 2005 - 3:34 PMyay skye :D
such a positive attitude :)
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